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Oct 30, '08<\/st1:date> 5:37 PM<\/st1:time><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n<\/nobr>\n\n

Some folks have taken offense to my discussions concerning\nthis (and past) elections, and one reader even suggested that I was\n"politicizing the Lord" with my commentary.  It's a shame when\nfolks only see the commentary from a "conservative" or\n"liberal" point of view instead of recognizing the spiritual\nconsequences of our choices.<\/span><\/b><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Although I am a registered Republican, and have been for all\nof my adult life, I am more constitutionalist than Republican -- at least from\ntoday's political perspective -- and that view is a product of having spent\nliterally hundreds of hours (perhaps as much as a thousand or more) in studying\nour nation's early history, the history of our founding fathers, and the events\nthat shaped their coming together to form a cohesive nation and create\nAmerica's Constitution.<\/span><\/b><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Our Constitution was created as an anchor, a solid foundation\nfrom which this nation would function and govern itself for centuries to\ncome.  Furthermore, it was created for the specific purpose of\nestablishing a place on earth from which the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ\nwould have free course.<\/span><\/b><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Today's Coffee Break is partially a review of commentaries\nI've made over the years; it is a discussion on the consequences of the choices\nour founding fathers made., and a Biblical perspective on the consequences of\nthe choices we make today when we vote for various political candidates.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

With that as our introduction, pull up a chair, and let's\nget started.  Both the Expresso<\/span> Machine and the\nFrench Press are brewing with some of the oiliest, dark-roasted Columbian\ncoffee I've made in a long time -- and what an aroma!  If you're anywhere\nclose, come on in and join me for a cup.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

John Adams, who was Vice-President under George\nWashington, and went on to become our nation's second President, made the\nfollowing comment concerning the Constitution of the United States, <\/span>"it is religion and morality alone which can establish the\nprinciples upon which freedom can securely stand.  Our\nconstitution was made only for a moral and religious people<\/u>.  It is\nwholly inadequate to the government of any other."<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

John Adams' first cousin, Samuel Adams, (and also\nsigner of the Declaration of Independence) put things like this: <\/span>"If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and\ntemperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true\nrepublican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honour<\/span>\nof the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men\npossessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of\ngovernment, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent\nfoundation.<\/u>\u201d<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Ever wonder how and where <\/span>America<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region>'s founding fathers came up with such a concept?  Well,\nhere it is!<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

"Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel,\nand God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest<\/span> bring the causes unto God: And thou shalt<\/span> teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt<\/span> show them the way wherein they must walk, and the\nwork that they must do.  Moreover thou shalt<\/span>\nprovide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating\ncovetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers\nof hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens<\/u>: And let them judge the\npeople at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall\nbring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier\nfor thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee."<\/span><\/i><\/b>  (Exodus 18:19-22)<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

There you have the plan for the kind of republican (not\nthe political party) representation that makes up the core of our nation's\ngovernance.  When you read the history of our forefathers' deliberations\nas they contemplated the means to establish a government that would stand the\ntest of time, you find the Word of God at the very root of all their\ndiscussions.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Folks, this is civil government we're talking about! \nThis was and is God's plan for the governance of a people under His\nleadership.  The biggest lie that's ever been foisted off on <\/span>America<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region> (and it began in 1947 with Justice Hugo Black in FDR's Supreme\nCourt) is that our Constitution somehow defines a "separation of church\nand state."  No it doesn't!  Nowhere in the writings of our\nnation's early leaders do you find such a concept -- except when Thomas\nJefferson objected to the Danbury Baptist Association's intent to incorporate\ninto our Constitution and Law the doctrines of their denomination. \n"Separation of church and state" didn't mean separation of the government\nfrom involvement in church activities, in worship, or in speaking out on\nspiritual issues.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Jefferson<\/span><\/st1:place> simply wanted\nto avoid enshrining in Law a church denomination as <\/span>England<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region> had done with the Anglican Church.  Because America was\nspecifically founded by folks who honored the Lord for the purpose of\nhaving one nation in the world where the Gospel of Jesus Christ would have\ncomplete liberty, and from where the Gospel could be preached throughout the\nworld -- without regard or preference to church denomination, nor restraint\nthereof -- Jefferson wanted to honor the intent of our founders.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

I quote from John Winthrop's charter of the Massachusetts\nBay Colony, <\/span>"...and for the directing,\nruling, and disposing of all other Matters and Things, whereby our said People,\nInhabitants there, may be so religiously, peaceably, and civilly governed, as\ntheir good Life and orderly Conversation, may win and incite the Natives of\nCountry, to the Knowledge and Obedience of the only true God and Savior of\nMankind, and the Christian Faith, which is our Royal Intention, and the\nAdventurers free Profession, is the principal End of this Plantation<\/u>."<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Once the charter was approved, Winthrop wrote in his own\ndiary, <\/span>"We must be willing to give\nup our superfluities to supply others' necessities...We must delight in each\nother; make others' conditions our own; rejoice together, mourn together, labor\nand suffer together... So shall we keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.<\/span> The Lord will be our God, and...make<\/span>\nus a praise and a glory, that men shall say of later plantations, "May the\nLord make it like that of <\/i><\/span>New England<\/span><\/i><\/st1:place>."<\/span><\/i><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

John Winthrop's son (John Winthrop, Jr.) was part of the\nfounding of the Connecticut Colony, and as part of its charter incorporated the\nfollowing: <\/span>"[We] do therefore associate and\nconjoin ourselves to be as one Public State or Commonwealth; and do for\nourselves and our successors and such as shall be adjoined to us at any time\nhereafter<\/u>, enter into Combination and Confederation together, to\nmaintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus<\/u> which\nwe now profess, as also, the discipline of the Churches, which according\nto the truth of said Gospel is now practiced amongst us<\/u>; as also in\nour civil affairs to be guided and governed<\/u>..."<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

I could go on and on with each of the original colonies,\nbut you get the picture.  Our founders made specific covenants and choices\nby the which<\/span> their heirs and successors could\nlive.  When <\/span>America<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region>'s Constitution was finally formed, the choices and purposes of\nthe founders were incorporated in such a way that a nation "under\nGod" could grow and take shape.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

The consequence of their choices and decisions was the founding of a\nnation that has prospered throughout history like no other nation on\nearth.  With the constant Blessing of the Lord, the United States has\nbeen the help of the afflicted around the world; we have spent more blood and\nmoney to lift whole nations out of repressive regimes and poverty than any\nother nation in history; we have been the defense of the fatherless and the\nhope of the needy; we have been the source of the Gospel of Jesus Christ being\nspread throughout every nation on earth.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

For something like two hundred and seventy years (1629 to\n1892) Americans clearly understood that this nation was founded for the\npropagation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  In 1892, the Supreme Court of\nthe <\/span>United States<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region> ruled, <\/span>"If\nwe examine the constitutions<\/a> of\nthe various states, we find in them a constant recognition of religious\nobligations<\/strong>. <\/span><\/i>Every constitution of every one of the 44 states<\/span><\/i><\/strong> <\/span>(the\nnumber of states in the union in 1892 -- <\/span><\/i>RAC<\/span><\/i><\/st1:stockticker>)<\/span><\/i> contains\nlanguage which, either directly or by clear implication, recognizes a profound\nreverence for <\/span><\/i>religion<\/span><\/i><\/strong>, and an assumption that its influence in all human\naffairs <\/span><\/i>is\nessential to the well-being of the community<\/span><\/i><\/strong>."<\/span><\/i><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

After a rather voluminous examination of those state\nconstitutions, the Supreme Court ruled, <\/span>"These and many other matters which might be\nnoticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic\nutterances that this is a Christian nation."<\/b><\/span><\/i><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

THAT, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what our nation's\nforefathers chose; and up until 1947 with Justice Hugo Black's ludicrous\ndecision, America prided itself on being "one nation under [the Lord]\nGod" -- NOT a Muslim nation, not a Hindu nation, not an atheistic or\nagnostic nation, but a nation where Jesus Christ was Lord!  That didn't\nmean that Muslims, Hindus or followers of various religions couldn't have the\nliberty in America to practice their religious beliefs (atheism IS a religion,\nby the way; it just makes man to be God instead of the Lord Jesus Christ) as\nthey saw fit, it just meant that they did so cognizant of the fact that America\nwas founded and established as a nation where the Lord God was worshiped.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Black's decision began the opening of floodgates with a\nrush of wickedness designed to overthrow our Constitution and deprive\nChristians of the liberties they'd enjoyed for centuries.  How was it that\nBlack was even in a position to make such a striking blow against our\nConstitutional freedoms?<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Easy.<\/span><\/span>  It was the consequence of choices made by voters who\nelected (and kept re-electing) Franklin D. Roosevelt to the Presidency of the <\/span>United States<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region>.  Despite FDR's public acknowledgement of God and his\nleading the nation in prayer during the early days of <\/span>America<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region>'s involvement in WW-II, he lacked a true foundation in his\nrelationship with the Lord; and further, he lacked the true Biblical worldview\nof our earlier founders.  In order to pursue a personal political agenda,\nhe added more justices to the Supreme Court without regard for where they stood\non Constitutional issues.  I doubt he could have possibly foreseen how\nfar-reaching his choices would be, and what consequences those choices would\nbode for <\/span>America<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region>'s future.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

This brings me to the crux of today's discussion.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

We can (and do) spar with one another over the subject of\nwhere a presidential candidate stands on the subject of abortion, how that\ncandidate treats the subject of marriage and family, and whether he\/she is a\npromoter of the homosexual agenda.  Those issues are of critical\nimportance in choosing our nation's leaders, but of almost overriding\nimportance to all is how that candidate will choose the next justices of the\nSupreme Court.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Will he\/she choose to appoint judges who will uphold the\nintent of our nation's founders, or will he\/she appoint justices who -- like\nHugo Black, and successors of his ilk -- reinvent the Constitution by judicial\nfiat and take away fundamental liberties that have made <\/span>America<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region> the standard of the world?<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

It matters not what a candidate says he will do.  The\nlife record must be the standard by which we vote.  What track record has\nthe candidate established to back up his claims?  Does that candidate have\na record of supporting issues which undercut our liberties?  Does the\ncandidate have a track record of standing up for that which is right in the\nsight of God?<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

In the current crop of candidates, all of them profess to\nbe Christians.  That means we have to look at what their lives have stood\nfor, how they've voted, who their companions in life are or have been, and\nwhether their words match their deeds.  One is NOT a Christian simply\nbecause they say so.  One is a Christian because he or she walks with the\nLord Jesus Christ and demonstrates the fruit of the Spirit in their life.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

The economy, the war on terror, immigration, issues of\npoverty and health-care are not, and MUST NOT be<\/span>, the\ndeciding issues upon which we choose our next President.  Where the\ncandidate stands on the fundamental issue of the integrity of our Constitution\nas written and established by our founding fathers MUST be the most important\ncriterion.  Where the candidate stands on abortion and homosexuality as a\n"right" under the Constitution must be a guiding factor.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

As Dutch Sheets noted in his letter to prayer\npartners, <\/span>"The scriptures teach that if we choose first\nto exalt righteousness and turn from evil, God promises to heal our land (see\nProverbs <\/span>14:34<\/span><\/st1:time>; 2\nChronicles <\/span>7:14<\/span><\/st1:time>).  It\nis righteousness that exalts a nation, not wealth, prosperity or armies. \nIf we will finish the process of removing the curses of death and anti-God laws\noff of America by electing a president that will continue to shift the Court,\nGod will grace us with breakthrough in other areas such as the economy, the war\nagainst terrorism, etc."<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

We have choices before us, folks!  We will either\nbenefit as a nation with the Blessing of God, or we will suffer the curse of\nour own disobedience to God's Word based on how we vote.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Della has an aging aunt who is so upset with the choices\nbefore her in this election that she has vowed not to vote for anyone. \nWe've made it abundantly clear to her that is not an option.  There are a\nfistful of folks just like her across this country.  There's a problem\nwith that stance.  Not voting IS voting just the same.  We are\nresponsible before God for our choices.  If we don't vote, we've\nchosen.  If we do vote, we choose.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

If we vote for righteousness in our leaders --\nnotwithstanding the fact that anyone we choose will have flaws -- based on\ntheir Biblical worldview, God will honor us, and He will honor this\nnation.  If we do not vote, OR we vote for someone simply because we want\n"change," we'll get change all right -- and it will be change for the\nworse.  It will be "change" with a curse upon us and this\nnation!  I simply cannot say it any stronger.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

The curse will not be "causeless:" it will be\ncaused, and we will be the cause thereof because of our rebellious and angry\nchoices.<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

Whoever wins on November 4th will play a huge role in\ndetermining the course of this nation for decades to come.  Whatever you\ndo, VOTE!<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

"A general dissolution of principles and manners will\nmore surely overthrow the liberties of <\/span><\/i>America<\/span><\/i><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region> than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are\nvirtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will\nbe ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal\ninvader."<\/span><\/i> <\/span> <\/span>-- Samuel Adams\n(Letter to James Warren, <\/span>12 February 1779<\/span><\/st1:date>)<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

"In the supposed state of nature, all men are equally\nbound by the laws of nature, or to speak more properly, the laws of the\nCreator."  <\/span><\/i>-- Samuel Adams (Letter to\nthe <\/span>Massachusetts<\/span><\/st1:place><\/st1:State> Legislature, <\/span>17 January 1794<\/span><\/st1:date>)<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

"No country upon earth ever had it more in its power\nto attain these blessings than United <\/span><\/i>America<\/span><\/i><\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region>.  Wondrously strange, then, and much to be regretted\nindeed would it be, were we to neglect the means and to depart from the road\nwhich Providence has pointed us to so plainly; I cannot believe it will ever\ncome to pass."  <\/span><\/i>-- George Washington (Letter to Benjamin\nLincoln,  <\/span><\/span>29<\/span><\/span> June 1788<\/span><\/st1:date>)<\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

The Blessing of the Lord: it makes rich and He adds no\npainful toil and sorrow!<\/span><\/i><\/b>  <\/span>(Proverbs\n10:22)  Be blessed!<\/span> <\/span><\/o:p><\/p>\n\n

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